Joe Rogan Experience #1494 – Bret Weinstein

Key Takeaways

  •  Bret Weinstein would be up for a total rethink of the way police operate
    • “I am no fan of this aggressive style of policing” Bret Weinstein
      • “But the idea that you could withdraw the police first is absolutely insane” 
  • “Brutal policing is a feature, not a bug” Bret Weinstein
  • During the Clinton administration, the Democratic party moved away from defending the interests of common people and moved towards defending the interests of big corporations
    • “Regular folks have been getting the shaft ever since, nobody is representing their interests” – Bret Weinstein
      • This is why people have started protesting: They know the system is rigged against them
  • “Opportunity has been hoarded, has been concentrated in some zip codes and almost totally excluded from other zip codes” Bret Weinstein
  • “You can’t have a system in which people are choosing between candidates from two corrupt parties both of which are hell-bent on stealing well-being from them and transferring it to their actual constituents” Bret Weinstein
    • Real change isn’t going to happen for another 4 years because neither Donald Trump nor Joe Biden are true leaders 
  • The Dark Horse Duo Plan: Find two individuals, one who is center-left and the other who is center-right
    • They would have to be patriotic, courageous, and highly capable
      • Short-term decisions would be made by the President but long-term decisions would be discussed as a team. Then 4 years down the road, they would switch positions.
  • Who does Bret propose for this Dark Horse Duo: 
  • Bret believes there’s a strong chance that COVID-19 was leaked from the lab in Wuhan
    • “The virus itself has several components that suggest that it is actually the result of manipulation in the lab and that it escaped. Probably from the Wuhan Institute of virology.” Bret Weinstein

Intro

Thoughts on The Current Social Movement

  • “I would say we are headed for a collision course with history…we’re really staring at many scenarios that end in some kind of civil war” Bret Weinstein
  • Bret calls the current social movement Occupy 2.0 (as in Occupy Wall Street)
    • The original Occupy movement started as a protest against companies that were too big to fail but it soon turned into an anarchist movement
      • “When I say this is Occupy 2.0, this is the anarchist version of Occupy that has now reemerged and it has fused with Black Lives Matter”– Bret Weinstein
  • Somehow, the BLM movement turned into the Abolish the Police movement
    • “For some reason, it means to abolish the police which is possibly the stupidest proposal I have ever heard” – Bret Weinstein
      • When the police are withdrawn, chaos quickly emerges
  • However, Bret is receptive to a total rethink of the way police operate
    • “I am no fan of this aggressive style of policing” Bret Weinstein
      • “But the idea that you could withdraw the police first is absolutely insane” 
  • “Brutal policing is a feature, not a bug” Bret Weinstein

Problems In Politics

  •  During the Clinton administration, the Democratic party moved away from defending the interests of common people and moved towards defending the interests of big corporations
    • “Regular folks have been getting the shaft ever since, nobody is representing their interests” – Bret Weinstein
      • This is why people have started protesting: They know the system is rigged against them
  • The American system has two goals:
    • Keep real change from happening so that people who are winning stay winners
      • “Those with power don’t want change because it threatens them” – Bret Weinstein
    • Reproduce present patterns of distribution into the future
      • The system is rigged so that people who were oppressed will continue to stay oppressed
        • “We are dealing with the echos of slavery” – Joe Rogan
        • “Their racism still haunts us today” – Bret Weinstein
  • “Opportunity has been hoarded, has been concentrated in some zip codes and almost totally excluded from other zip codes” Bret Weinstein
  • “I resent Trump’s make America great again because there are populations for whom it has simply never been great” Bret Weinstein

Shut Down STEM?

  •  The hashtags ShutdownSTEM and ShutdownAcademia were recently trending on Twitter
  • Some people believe that the sciences are bias and preventing other people from succeeding 
    • “The argument more or less is that the sciences are unfairly biased in favor of those who are currently successful and that that bias is actually preventing people who are not succeeding in current conditions from getting there and therefore we need to hobble these disciplines to level the playing field” – Bret Weinstein
  • “It is not true that privately scientists are harboring racist views and talking about them”  Bret Weinstein
    • It’s just that pay in academia is terrible so a lot of minorities take other jobs that pay better  
      • “If you are coming from circumstances that have been challenging and you make it, you don’t want to go to graduate school in the sciences because it’s a dumb move” 
  • Some students have gone so far as to say science is racist
    • “It’s nonsense” – Bret Weinstein

Brainwashing Tactics

  •  During the Vietnam War, American prisoners of war were slowly brainwashed by having the American soldiers write essays about why America isn’t perfect in exchange for extra food
    • Over time, the prisoners were asked to make more and more concessions. Since it was a gradually process, most POWs weren’t able to see the strategy behind this brainwashing tactic
      • Bret says that the same thing is happening with the current social movement
        • “What I’m seeing is all sorts of excellent people making the first concessions on to or the first steps onto the slippery slope and it’s spooking the hell out of me” – Bret Weinstein
  • “We are all in danger of being marched in the direction of things that are anti-American” Bret Weinstein

Everyone Is Innocent Until Proven Guilty

  • America is built on the concept that everyone is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt
    • It’s highly likely that the cop that killed George Flyod is guilty of murder, but he should still be given a fair trial
      • Bret is concerned that because the mob in the street will dictate the trial and convict the cop and not judge the evidence in an unbiased perspective
        • The cop is essentially being sacrificed to make the mob happy. This is anti-American.
  • “We are talking about sacrificing individuals because a mob has decided that they are guilty then we aren’t in America anymore” – Bret Weinstein
    • “The American thing to do is to convict him by the evidence in a court of law and if the evidence is not sufficiently compelling, that’s not what’s supposed to happen. That would be un-American.” 

No Opportunities = More Crime

  • Opportunity is being hoarded at the top of the economic ladder
    • In some communities, people start off at the bottom of the ladder
      • “In such cases, it is not surprising that people resort to crime” Bret Weinstein
  • Even back during slavery, it was illegal to teach slaves how to read or write which denied them access to certain opportunities
    • “When you have one population in control of how another population accesses the shared culture, that it’s never fair”Bret Weinstein
  • Humans are so difficult to raise (time, energy, money, etc.) that kids raised by a single-parent tend to be at a disadvantage and find it harder to move up the economic ladder

The Dark Horse Duo Plan

  • “You can’t have a system in which people are choosing between candidates from two corrupt parties both of which are hell-bent on stealing well-being from them and transferring it to their actual constituents” Bret Weinstein
    • Real change isn’t going to happen for another 4 years because neither Donald Trump nor Joe Biden is a true leader
  • The Dark Horse Duo Plan: Find two individuals, one who is center-left and the other who is center-right
    • They would have to be patriotic, courageous, and highly capable
      • Short-term decisions would be made by the President but long-term decisions would be discussed as a team. Then 4 years down the road, they would switch positions.
  • Who does Bret propose for this Dark Horse Duo: 
    • William McRaven as the center-right individual
    • Andrew Yang as the center-left individual
      • “They’re both patriots, they’re both courageous, and they’re both highly capable. This is the road out.” – Bret Weinstein

COVID May Have Been Lab-made

  • “In my opinion, we screwed up the lockdown badly because we went halfway. A very short, very intense lockdown could have ended it and that would have been the smart thing to do.” Bret Weinstein
    • Bret believes the US should have had a severe 6-week lockdown and the virus would’ve gone extinct
  • Bret believes there’s a strong chance that COVID-19 was leaked from the lab in Wuhan
    • “The virus itself has several components that suggest that it is actually the result of manipulation in the lab and that it escaped. Probably from the Wuhan Institute of virology.” Bret Weinstein
      • There’s a strong possibility that COVID-19 was being studied, but then was enhanced in a lab, and then somehow found its way out
  • What makes Eric believe it was enhanced in a lab?
    • “There are elements of the genome that are conspicuous and suggest possible laboratory manipulation” Bret Weinstein
      • The virus seems to spread better indoors rather than outdoors which suggests it could have adapted this strategy while it was in a lab
        • Since the virus doesn’t spread outdoors as much, Bret says it’s possible that UV light kills the virus
      • The virus also has a fern site which makes it more transmissible
        • “It is established in the literature that the addition of a fern site makes the virus much more transmissible in human tissue” 
  • Side note: Having proper levels of Vitamin D helps prevent the transmission of COVID and decreases its impact if you catch it
  • Some people who are asymptomatic still experienced significant damage to their lungs from the virus
  • “The Chinese have not behaved well. They have not informed us in the way we need to be informed.” – Bret Weinstein
    • However, this is an international failure, not just a failure on the part of China. The Wuhan lab is part of an international community of virology researchers. The grant likely came from the NIH

Bret’s Discovery With Lab Mice & Telomeres

  • Bret was a graduate student studying biology
    • He noticed that there were two groups of scientists studying telomerase
      • The first thought was if they could turn on the telomerase. cell reproduction would continue and it would lengthen a person’s life
      • The other thought was if they could turn off telomerase they could stop cell-reproduction and therefore prevent or cure cancer
        • However, Bret realized that natural selection had made this tradeoff on purpose
          • Natural selection prefers things that help you early in life even if it hurts you later on 
  • “Here we have something that is protecting us, that’s helping up in youth. We have a counter that is limiting the number of times a cell can divide and presumably preventing cancer and the cost is you can’t maintain your tissues forever so you grow feeble and inefficient.” Bret Weinstein
  • Bret saw that all of the mice scientists used in labs were coming from one source and that the mice all had long telomeres
    • Bret called up Carol Greider and asked her to look into the length of mice telomeres and her team found that wild mice had short telomeres
      • Why is this a big deal?
        • The altered mice aren’t an accurate model of human physiology and they can affect the effect of drugs
          • “A toxin that will harm you by killing tissue may not harm that mouse”  Bret Weinstein
  • Main takeaway:
    • “We were testing drugs to see if they were safe on animals that were predisposed to tell us that they were, and then when those drugs were released into the human population, it turned out they were not safe and people died.” Bret Weinstein
  • Bret tried to get this information out into the public, but the scientific world failed to respond to this fatal flaw
    • “The only way to be protected by the downstream consequences of this error is to just not take pharmaceuticals” – Bret Weinstein
  • To learn more about this story, Bret recommends listening to his podcast episode with Eric Weinstein on The Portal

Additional Notes

  • Even if the parts of the police are corrupt, a total withdrawal of the police will create a power vacuum and warlords will prop up in their place, as seen in Seattle
  • Both Joe and Bret are not in favor of reparations, but they are in favor of making massive investments in Black and Native American communities
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