
April 12, 2018
The Joe Rogan Experience – Chris and Mark Bell
Intro
- Chris Bell (@BigStrongFast) is the producer and creator of Bigger, Stronger, Faster
- He made a documentary on kratom, called A Leaf of Faith, due out May 29th
- He’s in the process of making a new one on nutrition
- Mark Bell (@MarkSmellyBell) is a world class bodybuilder
- He is the creator of the sling shot – I highly recommend this, it’s a great tool to add to your benching routine
- Mark owns a gym, which is free to the public, in Sacramento, California
Fake Hips
- Chris had both hips replaced at once, and is currently deadlifting around 400lbs.
- Ed Coan, one of the greatest power lifters of all time, has two artificial hips and can squat 600 lbs.
- Chris recommends getting one hip replaced at a time
- Chris and Mark recently got DEXA scans done, and their bone mineral densities were off the charts
The Carnivore Diet
- Both Chris and Mark have been on this diet for quite some time, you can only eat meat
- Mark eats about 2 meals a day
- Chris recalls a study on around 200,000 people that went on for 14 years, and it was found that “vegetables are more neutral that beneficial” – The Pure Study
- The study found that saturated fat, cholesterol, and even salt are more protective of the heart than vegetables
- Shawn Baker is a big proponent of the carnivore diet
- Mark was doing a ketogenic diet previously
- One of his complaints of the ketogenic diet was that he couldn’t eat enough protein, and it was hard to put on muscle – for more on a ketogenic diet, check out these Podcast Notes with Dom D’Agostino on The Joe Rogan Experience
- The carnivore diet forces you to utilize intermittent fasting, as you don’t always have a hamburger or steak on hand
- The diet does allow for some fruit – Mark recalls a study which showed fruit, when eaten with red meat, actually lowered blood glucose levels
- Mark eats about 2 apples a day
- There are certain nutrients and fiber in fruit which help you digest the fat in red meat
- The fiber in fruit reduces blood glucose spikes – Dr. Oz talked about this in these Podcast Notes
- They’ve both monitored blood work – their lipid panels have improved, but C-reactive protein has gone up (a marker of inflammation)
- Mark thinks this might be from working out prior to taking the blood tests – you should never do this
- Mark’s HDL went up on a carnviore diet, going previously from keto
- A steak is 65-75% fat
- They eat both corn, grain, and grass-fed meat
- Grass-fed beef has 5x the amount of omega 3s
- Chris says the best tasting meat is at Costco – he pays $19.99 a pound for grass fed fillets
- At Whole Foods, he pays $35.95 a pound – Chris says it tastes horrilbe
- Chris prefers grass fed beef patties as opposed to the fillets
- Mark considers eating burger pattys with cheese as “cheating on the carnivore diet”
Nutrition
- The fight America faces is against cravings – against the convenient foods that taste so good, the processed carbohydrates and sugar
- Saturated fat is only harmful when eaten in combination with high levels of refined carbohydrates and sugars
- There’s lots of debate around this topic
- In Asian cultures, they have low levels of obesity, and high levels of carbohydrate intake BUT they have high rates of diabetes
- “You don’t have to be fat to be diabetic”
- Japan has higher diabetes rates that the US
- Americans really do eat like shit
- “The only two species that get fat are humans, and things we feed”
- Carbs after a work out?
- The post workout carb window has had some debate – but people are shifting away from this, we just don’t know at this point
- It’s important to remember everybody’s body is different
- Humans differ in eye color, hair color, AND dietary needs
- What general suggestions can we make? – Stop eating refined carbohydrates and sugar
- We can only store around 2,000 calories of carbohydrates in the body at one time
- The average person has 40,000 calories of fat on their body – hence, the argument for doing ketogenic diet if you’re along distance cyclist
- For Joe, eating a high carbohydrate based diet leads to inflammation
- When he eats a high fat, low carb diet – he feels much better
- Eat good, and you’ll be much more productive throughout the day
- Stop eating f*cking sandwitches for lunch
- Buy things that don’t have nutrition labels on them
The Ketogenic Diet
- The ketogenic diet helps because it gets rid of cravings
- When our body goes into fat-burning mode, our hunger goes away – there must be a link between ketone production and ghrelin
- Mark had around 200 grams of fat a day while eating keto
- Try a cyclical ketogenic diet – take one day off per week to refuel on carbs
- Try keto-bread by Know Foods
- They also make a pancake mix
- The carbohydrates are high fiber, and hardly raise your blood sugar
The Health Decline of Americans
- The 5 scurges of health – obesity, cancer, cognitive decilne, heart disease, and diabetes
- These are all metabolic – controlled in a sense by what we eat
- Over half the people in hospitals in the US are there for metabolic issues (so caused by what we ate)
- Inflammation is slowly killing us all
- The average American isn’t eating for nutrition, they’re eating to cure their hunger
Veganism
- The argument against veganism
- Dietary cholesterol is necessary, it’s the building block of cell walls
- The issue is saturated fat in conjunction with processed carbs, not saturated fat alone – vegan diets avoid high levels of saturated fat
- Many people on vegan diets end up with very high blood sugar levels
- Humans are not herbivores
- Look at chimps – chimps are omnivores
- Animals are going to die anyway – so eat free range chickens
- The protein in vegetables is not as bioavailable as meat protein
- If you want some entertainment … LISTEN TO JOE ROGANS RANT ON VEGANISM AROUND 1:08:00
- What The Health Debunked
- Joe calls the What the Health documentary a vegan proselytizing movie
- “These are c*nts in a gang, in the plant gang. If you do anything that’s outside of that, they go after you.” – oh dear
- Some good things
- They’re not participating in factory farming
- There are benefits to a vegan diet, but its rare people do it right
- Joe says you need a vitamin B12 supplement on a vegan diet – this is the supplement brand recommend by Dr. Rhonda Patrick
- You should gear it more towards a plant-based, vegan diet
Chris and Mark’s New Documentary on Nutrition
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- Chris and Mark are interviewing people in the nutrition world, and seeing on where they stand in terms of diet/nutrition
- They don’t have any goals with the documentary, and aren’t trying to prove anything – they’re just going to see where it goes
- At the end of the day, everyone is just trying to help people when they give diet/nutrition advice
- They wanted to call it The War on Carbs
- As they are interviewing more people, they are discovering processed carbs and sugar are the big problems
- Sugar is a refined carb – things like pizza, ice cream
- Processed vegetable oils are also a problem
- The omega fatty acids from things like flax seed oil are not as bioavailable as what you get from fish and meat
- Look at teeth – tooth decay is a relatively new thing, it’s because of the increase in sugar consumption
- Chris and Mark are interviewing people in the nutrition world, and seeing on where they stand in terms of diet/nutrition
Food and Food Products
- Joe highly recommends chipotle avacado mayo with low fat cuts of beef
- Travel snacks for Joe
- He’s a fan of kombucha and almonds
- Joe likes Wild Planet canned sardines and Crown Prince canned oysters, both in olive oil
- If you eat these too often, watch out for high arsenic in your blood
- Eat beef liver – it’s very nutrient dense
- Mark takes desiccated beef liver capsules
- ** Note from Matt – A doctor I went to recommended these to up my B vitamin levels, which many people are low in
- To cook beef liver – just sprinkle on a dusting of almond flour, and fry it in butter with onions
- Mark takes desiccated beef liver capsules
- Joe eats Mother in Law’s Kimchi every day
Prescription Thugs
- This was a documentary made by Chris
- The fact of the matter is, many people are addicted to prescription drugs, and it’s causing a lot of harm
- Some people have reported using kratom as a better option to relieve pain
- Ibuprofen can have some very negative side effects
- Harms gut microbiome, ruins libido and sperm count
- Your body is not designed for taking non-steroidal anti-inflammatory agents every day
A Leaf of Faith
- Comes out May 29th, all about Chris’ experience with kratom
- The FDA has a bad view of kratom, and classifies it as an opioid
- There’s concerns about kratom and where you get it from – there have been reports of salmonella outbreaks with kratom
- You have to test it – some people have found fentanyl mixed with kratom
- Urban Ice Organix – naturalorganix.com – Chris recommends this brand of kratom
- At high doses, kratom is more relaxing, but at low does it acts as a stimulant
- Kratom Benefits
- It can help people with anxiety and stress
- Has been found to help people get over opioid addiction
- Kratom helps Mark with creativity, it gives him a sense of euphoria
- Mark also sometimes takes it before he works out – it makes him happier – “When you feel good, you can lift so much better”
Ibogaine
- Has been shown to have remarkable properties when it comes to breaking addicitons to opioids
- “Ibogaine and kratom are the answers to the opioid epidemic”
- Joe knows several people who have taken it – “It’s so ruthlessly introspective. You examine every single aspect of your life in an alien way, and after it’s over, you can’t imagine being addicted to alcohol/prescription drugs ever again.”
- One a different note, psilocybin is on the ballet to be legalized in Califnronia in 2018
Random
- Chris and Mark’s mom has benched 185
- “Most men live lives of quiet desperation”- Henry David Thoreau
- “I used to think I know everything, now I think I know nothing” – Mark
- If you’re born today, you have a good chance of living to 104
- Chris and Mark recommend using a hip circle band to strengthen outer hip muscles
- Joe uses an Echo Bike by Rogue and likes to warm up before his workouts with an elipitcal machine
- Joe also does Hindu squats – he does sets of 100 to warm up
- Check out the doumentary Smashing Machine