#1769 – Jordan Peterson | Joe Rogan Experience

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Key Takeaways

  • The words climate and environment mean so much that they mean nothing
    • Solving ‘everything problems’ fail or succeed without controlled variables
    • “The fastest way to make the planet sustainably green and ecologically viable is to make poor people as rich as possible as fast as we can” – Jordan Peterson
    • Poor populations are plagued by short-term thinking and are not resource-efficient
  • “The freeing of trade worldwide and the benefits that it produced, were paid for disproportionately by the American working class”Jordan Peterson
    • Working-class people suffer in the profit margins of capitalistic trade-offs
  • Jordan believes the primacy of felt identity in teenagers is the repressed fantasy play, that should have happened in young children (three to five), coming to the forefront
    • Technology and smartphones delayed this onset and teenagers are turning to gender as an outlet for their underdeveloped understanding of identity and creativity
  • Creativity is high-risk, high-reward, and sometimes even fatal
    • Many people watch from the sidelines only to copy the creator in the end
    • According to the Creative Achievement Questionnaire, 70% of people contribute zero lifetime creative contributions
    • “The world is inexhaustible, we can each have a unique destiny”Jordan Peterson
  • “When you wonder about something, you’re freeing your perception from the constraints of memory”Jordan Peterson
    • Wonder is the openness to the transformation of new ideas
  • Humans are designed to react to danger. Twitter often triggers a false response to danger but is nonetheless stimulating.
    • “Twitter is a recreational outrage addiction” – Joe Rogan
  • Scroll to the bottom of the page for an assortment of Jordan Peterson quotes & philosophies

Intro

  • Jordan B. Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) is a clinical psychologist, YouTube personality, author, and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto
  • Jordan joins Joe Rogan for a four-hour conversation that covers everything from creativity to climate change to capitalism to gender… and much much more.
  • Host: Joe Rogan (@joerogan)

Climate Change

  • The words climate and environment mean so much that they mean nothing
    • Climate is synonymous with everything
    • When solving ‘everything problems’, you don’t know which variables were effective or ineffective in the solution
    • “How seriously we take the future is nearly an impossible computation to solve” – Jordan Peterson
  • Models with long time arcs, like climate change, have more error
    • One small error in the model compounds into a multitude of errors and you end up with a disaster narrative
  • “The fastest way to make the planet sustainably green and ecologically viable is to make poor people as rich as possible as fast as we can” – Jordan Peterson
    • Poor people are not resource-efficient (consuming a lot of resources and producing little outcome)
    • When you don’t know where your next meal is coming from, you don’t use the long-term thinking necessary to be environmentally conscious
  • Everything pollutes something – net-zero is nonsense in Jordan’s opinion

Capitalism & Economies

  • When it comes to manufacturing costs, the phrases ‘too much’ and ‘more’ are very different
    • This is where the margin of companies in a capitalistic system thrive, at the disadvantage of the worker
    • Companies choose larger margins over investment in their workforce (healthcare, higher salaries, etc.)
    • And even larger margins when they outsource the work abroad
    • “The freeing of trade worldwide and the benefits that it produced, were paid for disproportionately by the American working class”Jordan Peterson
  • How do we effectively transition people from the working class economy to the knowledge/information economy? We don’t have a strategy.
    • China is educating more engineers every year than the US has in total

Gender & Civilization

  • “If you look at teenagers who want to switch genders, 95% of them are unbearably confused”Jordan Peterson
  • Jordan believes the primacy of felt identity in teenagers is the repressed fantasy play, that should have happened in young children (three to five), coming to the forefront
    • Technology and smartphones delayed this creative onset and teenagers are turning to gender as an outlet for their underdeveloped understanding of identity and creativity
  • In reference to Douglas Murray, they discuss how civilizations on the verge of collapse become obsessed with gender
    • Jordan argues that it’s not exclusively gender but a disintegration of categories – culture is a structure of categories that we share and communicate. Without some familiar understanding, we fail to be civilized.

Creativity

  • Creative Achievement Questionnaire – Jordan was involved with designing a test that gauges lifetime creative contributions to 13 different creative domains
    • 70% of people scored zero across all 13 domains
  • Creativity is  high-risk, high-reward, and sometimes even fatal
    • Many people watch from the sidelines only to copy the creator in the end
  • “The world is inexhaustible, we can each have a unique destiny”Jordan Peterson
    • The only way to a unique destiny is by trusting your creative intuition
    • Even failures are unique
  • Creative people often have mutable identities
    • “Creative people by definition are not stable in their identities, that’s what makes them creative” – Jordan Peterson
    • Some of the most creative and charismatic people can manifest a high level of integration between masculine and feminine identities

The Power of Wonder

  • “When you wonder about something, you’re freeing your perception from the constraints of memory”Jordan Peterson
    • Wonder is the openness to the transformation of new ideas
  • Everything around you is infinitely remarkable but we constantly perceive nothing
    • Sensory depravation tanks allow you to remove external sensations and focus on the things you’d usually ignore

Twitter vs. Reality

  • “Twitter is a recreational outrage addiction” – Joe Rogan
    • When you manifest this same outrage in the real world, there is a cost
    • Jordan continues to read outrageous Twitter comments out of pathological curiosity – those who are immune to social criticism entirely is a psychopath
    • Among the many negative comments on Twitter, Jordan says he gets almost 100% positive responses on YouTube and in-person
  • Humans are designed to react to danger. Twitter often triggers a false response to danger but is nonetheless stimulating.

Psychedelic Reading Material

Immunological Disorders Solved with Meat?

  • Jordan believes taking benzodiazepines only made his immunological disorders worse
  • His mostly-meat diet has been a big part of his recovery in his opinion
    • Mikhaila Peterson, Jordan Peterson’s daughter who suffers from her own immunological disorders, has become an advocate for carnivorous diets being a treatment for chronic and untreatable diseases
    • Mikhaila only eats lamb, seems to manifest fewer immunological symptoms on this diet
  • Jordan references a recent Harvard study on the carnivore diet
    • A straightforward review of the results can be found here
    • Overwhelmingly positive outcomes in all aspects of health for the majority of participants

Jordan Peterson Assorted Quotes & Philosophies

  • The eternal dance of freedom and structure, but one can not exist without the other
    • “The right amount of rules for freedom is not zero” – Jordan Peterson
  • Music is the intimation of meaning
    • Music is layered in patterns to make it sound harmonious, being in sync with the patterns of a song generates personal meaning
    • When you can harmonize with the patterns of the world the same way you do with music, you begin to understand the meaning of life
    • “Music puts you on the border of chaos and order” – Jordan Peterson
  • “It isn’t that the Bible is true, it’s that the Bible is the precondition for the manifestation of truth.”Jordan Peterson
    • Many modern truths are some form of more fundamental truths
    • Foundations of knowledge, like the Bible, are built on an ethical structure rather than an objective structure. we need this more today than ever in Jordan’s opinion.
  • Bravery is better than safety; it’s a more reliable cure for terror
    • “God doesn’t chase away the snakes, he makes everyone braver” – Jordan Peterson
    • When you look far enough into the dark, you see the light
  • “The utility of oppression is a means of ruling hell”Jordan Peterson
    • In Jordan’s eyes, power should not be automatically linked to success
  • “The burden of temporal mortality lifts in the face of genuine dialogue”Jordan Peterson
    • You can’t fight when you’re laughing

Jordan Peterson Upcoming Projects

  • Upcoming book: We Who Wrestle with God
    • Exploring the weaponization of guilt and how we walk on soil soaked with blood
  • Poem collection: The ABC of Childhood Tragedy
    • Not for children, dark poems
  • App project: Essay
    • The goal is to universalize the university by teaching people how to write
  • Music collection: Jordan is producing a character-based music collection
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