#1696 – Lex Fridman | Joe Rogan Experience

Key Takeaways

  • Marketing gets in the way of engineering
    • Tesla is the exception – they do zero advertising, the engineering sells itself
  • “Half the world is living under authoritarian regimes, how do you help all those people?” – Lex Fridman
    • There is so much abuse of power & suffering across the world, it’s hard to make a total compromise
  • Lex and Joe both agree that the Afghanistan current events have been completely mishandled
    • “We got into that war under false pretenses, we stayed without much transparency about why we were staying, and pulled out without a clear plan for the future. I don’t know what lesson to draw from that other than we should never have gone in the first place” – Lex Fridman
    • An overwhelming majority of the population in Afghanistan don’t know about the events that occurred on 9/11
  • “We already have laws for crimes, do we really need laws for substances that could potentially cause you to commit crimes?” – Joe Rogan
    • The problem is the action, not the substance
  • “Misfits need love too, misfits need a purpose” – Joe Rogan referring to the unfortunate causation of how unpeaceful goals and motivations cultivate amongst groups of uninformed individuals
    • Lex believes more people are lonely than not and are simply searching for purpose regardless of the group or goal
  • Lex believes science is only successful when it is absent of ego. The politicization of Covid-19/Vaccine has brought ego to the forefront of the conversation leading to mistrust in our scientific institutions and political leaders.
    • “It hurts me in this conversation about vaccines, somehow it’s leading to a mistrust in all the amazing things science has brought us” – Lex Fridman
    • There are very few people in the middle ground of the vaccine debate
      • “You’re either attacking my family’s health or attacking my freedom” – Lex Fridman
    • Joe wishes there was a greater call for improved health, and not only pharmaceutical interventions as recommendations 
  • “If you quit once, even on a small thing, that opens the door, then you know that you can quit” – Lex Fridman
    • Don’t become accustomed to giving yourself an out
  • Joe prefers his podcast to be a conversation about life and the guest’s interestsl he does not want the episode to be bound by the guest’s professional discipline
    • There’s no correct blueprint or guidelines for podcasting
  • Joe and Lex discuss various sports topics including trends and current events across MMA and who the GOAT of the soccer world is
  • Lex recites the poem “Bluebird” by Charles Bukowski at the close of the podcast
    • Don’t let your hope and fire die, cry for your passions

Intro

  • Lex Fridman (@lexfridman) is an artificial intelligence scientist and researcher, host of the Lex Fridman Podcast, and good friend of Joe Rogan. In this episode, they discuss the latest on everything involving AI, Afghanistan, vaccines, QAnon, sports, life, and more.
  • Host: Joe Rogan (@joerogan)

Marketing vs Engineering

  • Boston Dynamics (BD) wants to make machines that don’t work with humans; but rather, instead of humans
    • Marketing gets in the way of engineering – Lex loves BD but his passions are technically ahead of their commercial business model
    • Lex wants to understand human and robot interaction
  • Tesla is the exception – highlights engineering over marketing
    • Tesla does zero advertising, the engineering sells itself
    • Naturally arises from Elon Musk’s engineering-based leadership

Tesla Autonomous Driving

  • Tesla’s goal is to have autonomous driving with vision only, without radar
    • Logic: Our roads are designed for human eyes
  • Dojo – a version of autopilot software deployed to a fleet of vehicles that send back data points to the supercomputer database that then stores and learns the knowledge for future use
    • Know as the data engine – a loop of knowledge
    • Versions are released weekly
  • Tesla wants the entirety of its AI system to be built in house, in one large giga-factory

Afghanistan & Authoritarianism

  • Restrepo – Film documentary that Joe brings up about the Afghanistan war, directed by American journalist Sebastian Junger
    • Puts in perspective the current events happening right now, Afghanistan falling to the Taliban
    • The mountainous and deserted environment makes it understandable how it might be difficult to control and maintain peace
  • An overwhelming majority of the population in Afghanistan don’t know about the events that occurred on 9/11 – source
  • Could there have been a better withdrawal plan that scaled out over time?
    • The current plan has left Afghan allies in a very vulnerable position
    • The US reportedly trained and armed 300,000 Afghan soldiers to combat an invasion, but they just gave up to the less numbered Taliban, roughly 75,000
    • “We got into that war under false pretenses, we stayed without much transparency about why we were staying, and pulled out without a clear plan for the future. I don’t know what lesson to draw from that other than we should never have gone in the first place” – Lex Fridman
  • “Half the world is living under authoritarian regimes, how do you help all those people?” – Lex Fridman
    • There is so much abuse of power & suffering across the world, it’s hard to make a total compromise
      • The Libertarian argument is to stay out of other peoples business until there is a clear and transparent plan supported by the US people
      • The reason we don’t do anything about North Korea is because it’s tied to China, which is a dark and unfortunate truth

Q: Into The Storm

  • Q: Into The Storm – a documentary exploring QAnon’s influence on American culture and politics and probes the consequences of unfettered free speech permeating the darkest corners of the internet
    • “Misfits need love too, misfits need a purpose” Joe Rogan referring to the unfortunate causation of how unpeaceful goals and motivations cultivate amongst groups of uninformed individuals
    • “Human beings weave narratives” – Lex Fridman
    • Lex believes the number of people who are lonely and searching for meaning is closer to 100% than 1%
      • These majority lonely people are not radicalized but looking for stories to unite over

War On Drugs

  • Lex did an interview with infamous drug smuggler Roger Reaves, and wished he could be listing to the conversation on JRE rather than his own podcast
  • In 2019, there were 153 million prescriptions for opioids
  • “We already have laws for crimes, do we really need laws for substances that could potentially cause you to commit crimes?” – Joe Rogan
    • “You have a problem with violent urges, not a problem with alcohol” – Joe Rogan
    • The problem is the action, not the substance

Covid-19 Vaccine

  • “It hurts me in this conversation about vaccines, somehow it’s leading to a mistrust in all the amazing things science has brought us” – Lex Fridman
    • Science should not talk down to people, there should be no ego in science
    • The politicization of Covid-19/Vaccine has brought ego to the forefront which has lead to mistrust in our scientific institutions and political leaders over the past year and a half
    • “Vaccine passport data could help us tremendously if it was done by competent institutions” – Lex Fridman
  • Lex Fridman Vaccine Opinion: We should not have any kind of vaccine passports under the current leadership, but he does think it is a wise choice to take the vaccine if you have conditions that might put you in the hospital. If you choose not to, you should have the right to accept the affiliated risk.
    • Lex also thinks we should not do gain-of-function research
  • Joe Rogan issues surrounding vaccination:
    • Private companies are allowed to force vaccination
    • We don’t know if we fully understand the long term side-effects of the vaccine, and if they’re being fully reported
    • Vaccine manufacturers (Pfizer, Moderna) are not legally responsible
  • People don’t trust pharmaceutical companies, even Pfizer and Moderna which have had previously documented trust issues
    • Incentives are not well-aligned, profit vs public health
    • The former VP of Pfizer said he would have resigned if were was working there during vaccine production
  • We need our public leaders to be transparent and authentic in their communication about their actions
    • When the institutions don’t know the answer, they never tell us that they don’t know
    • Alternate Example: When Bill Gates buys a lot of land without telling us exactly why conspiracy theories arise
    • VARS – Report relies on passive reporting which means individuals send their data to the CDC to identify unexpected patterns in vaccination caused health problems. Can be massively influenced by over and under-reporting.
  • There are very few people in the middle ground of the vaccine debate
    • “You’re either attacking my family’s health or attacking my freedom” – Lex Fridman
  • Joe wishes there was a greater call for improved health, and not have only have  pharmaceutical intervention as the only recommendation

Various Sports Discussion

  • Khabib Nurmagomedov, who recently retired from the UFC as the lightweight champion, was rumored to be signing with a Russian soccer team, but his manager Ali Abdelaziz denied the reports
    • Lex wants to do a podcast with Khabib speaking fully in Russian, wants to have a conversation in his native tongue so he can express his emotions effectively
    • Russian has natural humor and romanticized language that doesn’t translate into English well
  • Ciryl Gane – Joe Rogan was incredibly impressed with his recent win over Derrick Lewis for the interim heavyweight title
    • The best moving heavyweight Joe has ever seen
  • Wrestling is the most important skill in MMA – the wrestler controls where the fight happens
  • Olympic Karate fighter got DQ’d for hitting his opponent too hard – video
  • Jiu-Jitsu has evolved over the last 5-10 years with the introduction of leg locks and body locks
  • Lex thinks Lionel Messi is the greatest soccer player ever and Cristiano Ronaldo isn’t even top 5!
    • When you see the shadow silhouette of the sport of soccer, you see Lionel Messi
    • Messi recently transferred from Barcelona to PSG
  • Cristiano Ronaldo once asked for water and pushed away a Coca-Cola at a press conference
    • Dropped Coca-Cola market share price by $4 billion
  • NIL – recently allows NCAA and all collegiate athletes to profit off of their own name, image, and likeness

Additional Notes

  • Lex Fridman reading challenge:
    • Reading a book a day starting August 19, 2021. Committing 12-14 hrs per day to this task.
    • Books allow you to travel in time
    • Give Lex a recommendation here!
  • “If you quit once, even on a small thing, that opens the door, then you know that you can quit” – Lex Fridman
    • Don’t become accustom to giving yourself an out
  • “Censorship and surveillance make a perfect atmosphere for brilliant writing to emerge in the shadows” – Lex Fridman
    • When you’re willing to die for the literature you’re writing, there’s great potential
  • Joe prefers his podcast to be a conversation about life and the guest’s interests, does not want the episode to be bound by the guest’s professional discipline
    • There’s no correct blueprint or guidelines for podcasting
  • Austin, Texas might become the capital of MMA, Comedy & Technology according to Lex and Joe
  • Lex is trying to avoid text messages about running from David Goggins because Austin is too hot
  • Joe’s favorite director is Quentin Tarantino while Lex’s is Martin Scorsese
  • Benzodiazepine (Xanax) – recent anecdotes show it is incredibly dangerous to go cold turkey, going through months/years of tapering dosage under medical supervision seems to be the only safe solution – more info
    • Jordan Peterson is currently going through this difficult process
    • Jordan Peterson is the most misrepresented person Joe has ever witnessed
  • Lex has always wanted to perform Jimi Hendrix on the JRE but feels the environment isn’t right for the style
    • Most of the art Lex makes is behind the computer, so everything else is terrifying
    • Joe references Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell, a section of the book that tells a story of how The Beatles perfected their craft by simply playing as many shows as they could early on, no matter the audience size
  • Joe thought the Barrack Obama and Bruce Springsteen crossover podcast called ‘Renegades: Born in the USA’ felt like “water-down milk”
  • Lex recites the poem “Bluebird” by Charles Bukowski at the close of the podcast
    • Don’t let your hope and fire die, cry for your passions
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