Tom O’Neill | Joe Rogan Experience #1459

Key Takeaways

  • MKUltra was a CIA government program that ran experiments by administering LSD to mental patients, prisoners, drug addicts, and sex workers
    • “It was a mind control program, a brainwashing program. The CIA was trying to learn how to control people’s behavior without their knowledge.” – Tim O’Neil
  • The CIA’s main goal was to use drugs and hypnotism to create assassins who would kill on command and have no memory of their programming and not remember the act of killing
    • “Manson became exactly what the CIA was trying to create” – Tim O’Neil
  • What was the motive for the CIA to turn Charles Manson into a murderer?
    • The CIA believed hippies, along with other anti-war groups, would start a civil war in the US so to prevent that from happening, they took one of the most well-known hippies (Charles Manson) and turned him into a killer so that hippies would no longer be seen in a positive light
  • Operation Midnight Climax: The CIA would lure men into brothels, dose them up with LSD without their knowledge, and then study their behavior through a one-way mirror
  • After shooting Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby was placed in jail. A doctor, who was actually a CIA agent, visited Jack Ruby in jail and 24-hours later after their meeting, Ruby went insane and his testimony in court was ruled out because he was incoherent
    • “My most important finding is that a CIA contracted agent or researcher for mind control…became that witness’ doctor right before he testified and told his story…and then he goes crazy” – Tom O’Neil

Intro

  •  Tom O’Neill (@chaosmansonbook) is an award-winning investigative journalist and entertainment reporter
  • Host: Joe Rogan (@joerogan

Books Mentioned

It Took Tom 20 Years To Write His Book

  • Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties by Tom O’Neill
    • It took Tom 20 years to write this book
  • It all started in 1999 when he was assigned a story about the 30th anniversary of the Charles Manson murders
    • Some lessons from the book:
      • The prosecutors planted a former prosecutor on the defense team to sabotage them and two or three key witnesses in the case lied on the stand
      • Manson broke parole several times from 1967-1969 but for some reason his parole officer, Roger Smith, never reported it
        • Manson was arrested in July of 1967 but all that evidence was hidden
        • “What I proven is that he was getting leniency from the Federal government and the law enforcement” – Tim O’Neil
  • What was the motive for the CIA to turn Charles Manson into a murderer?
    • The CIA believed hippies, along with other anti-war groups, would start a civil war in the US so to prevent that from happening, they took one of the most well-known hippies (Charles Manson) and turned him into a killer so that hippies would no longer be seen in a positive light

The CIA’s Secret Brainwashing Program

  • MKUltra was a government program run by the CIA–it was originally started as Bluebird in 1948, then morphed in Artichoke, then MKUltra in 1952
    • “It was a mind control program, a brainwashing program. The CIA was trying to learn how to control people’s behavior without their knowledge.” Tim O’Neil
      • All of this information came out in Senate and Congressional hearings in the 1970s
        • The CIA experiments included administering LSD to mental patients, prisoners, drug addicts, and sex workers
          • A not-for-profit health clinic that was supposed to be for people who couldn’t afford health services was often used by the CIA to experiment on individuals without their knowledge
  • The CIA’s main goal was to use drugs and hypnotism to create assassins who would kill on command and have no memory of their programming and not remember the act of killing
    • This concept became popularly known as Manchurian Candidates after the book that was written in 1962
  • Operation Midnight Climax: The CIA would lure men into brothels, dose them up with LSD without their knowledge, and then study their behavior through a one-way mirror
    • The prostitute would often leave the man in the room for a few moments and then the CIA agents would release an aerosol spray of LSD to drug the individual
  • The CIA later reported their brainwashing experiments had all failed, but Tom along with several other experts believe this is a cover and that the CIA succeed in its mission

Charles Manson: A CIA Experiment Gone Wrong

  • MKUltra began as an experiment in Federal prisons
    • Whitey Bulger had been a part of the experiment when he was incarcerated in the 1950s
      • Tom believes Charles Manson was also experimented on because he was also in prison around the same time
  • Roger Smith was working on his Ph.D. at Berkeley and his area of focus was gang violence and drugs  
    • Roger Smith later became Charles Manson’s parole officer
      • It’s speculated that Smith knew Manson was experimented on in prison and was assigned to supervise Manson under the cover of a parole officer
        • Manson got arrested several times after getting out of jail in 1967, but for some unknown reason, he was let go
        • Other members of the ‘Manson family’ were also arrested and let go as well
          • “He was more important to somebody out than in…somebody wanted him out there doing whatever he was doing”Tom O’Neil
  • Manson believed that there would be a race war, that the Blacks would win, and then he and his family would repopulate the Earth with his offspring and take over the planet
    • In 1969, Roman Polanski’s pregnant wife Sharon Tate, and four friends were brutally murdered by members of the Manson Family 
      • Tom believes the Tate–LaBianca murders weren’t random, but has yet to find evidence to support that claim

More FBI & CIA Illegal Programs

  • In 1967, the FBI started a program called COINTELPRO in San Francisco, around the same time Manson arrived in the city
    • Also in 1967, the CIA started a new program called Operation CHAOS
      • Both programs had the same mission: Neutralize revolutionaries (Black Panthers, hippie movement, etc) that they believed could create a civil war
        • J Edgar Hoover believed that communists from China and Russia had infiltrated the US and were trying to create a divide in the US to start a revolution
          • Agents from the FBI would infiltrate revolutionary groups such as the Black Panthers to spread rumors and disinformation to try to have members turn on one another
  • The COINTELPRO program was exposed to the public after a group of activists broke into an FBI building 

Oswald, JFK & Secret Agents

  • There’s speculation that Jack Ruby, the man who shot Lee Harvey Oswald (Oswald was the man who assassinated President Kennedy) was experimented on by the CIA
    • Jack Ruby was part of the anti-Castro Cuban movement and had connections with agents from Operation Mongoose–a CIA project to overthrow Fidel Castro’s government
      • After shooting Oswald, Jack Ruby was placed in jail. A doctor, who was actually a CIA agent, visited Jack Ruby in jail and 24-hours later after their meeting, Ruby went insane and his testimony in court was ruled out because he was incoherent
        • “My most important finding is that a CIA contracted agent or researcher for mind control…became that witness’ doctor right before he testified and told his story…and then he goes crazy” – Tom O’Neil
  • Vincent Bugliosi was the prosecuting attorney in the Manson trial and wrote the book  Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders
    • It’s the bestselling true crime book of all time, but Tom says many of the claims in the book were fabricated
      • Bugliosi was a shady character–he lied under oath, lied to reporters, and had an affair and then beat his mistress because she didn’t want to get an abortion
        • Because of his compromised past, Tom believes Bugliosi was manipulated by someone high above (CIA or another agency)

Additional Notes

  • Tom’s original deadline for the book was 2008, he got an extension till 2011 but still hadn’t finished it so he got sued by his publisher
    • The endnotes (list of sources behind Tom’s claims) are 60 pages long!
      • Amazon is working on turning Tom’s book into a feature film or limited series
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