Tim Grover

What Michael Jordan and Kobe Taught Tim Grover about “Winning” | BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast

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Key Takeaways

  • You need to find out and exactly define what you actually want
    • When you know what you want and really want it, you’re willing to put in the hard work to obtain it
    • “I practiced so hard the games were easy” Michael Jordan
  • Many people would like to immediately “become great”
    • You can’t do that
    • “Before you chase greatness, have you caught and mastered average?” Tim Grover
  • There isn’t a quick hack to get successful
    • “It’s the consistency of doing things over and over again and doing them with a purpose” Tim Grover
  • Mental routines are often more important than physical ones
    • It’s about how you think and how you approach things
  • Everyone is addicted to something, choose your addictions wisely
    • “You got to get your dopamine somewhere. You’re going to get it in the weight room or you’re going to get it in the meth lab” Brandon Turner
  • “Winning isn’t heartless, but you’ll use your heart lessTim Grover
    • Your mind has to be stronger than your feelings
    • Who’s controlling that battle? Is it you, or is it your guilt, fear, anxiety, etc…?
  • “You have to learn to lose in order to win on a consistent basis” Tim Grover
    • You can use losses to learn lessons and get better
  • The competitive nature is in all of us
    • Most of us are just afraid to show it
    • It’s more comfortable to be perceived in the middle of the pack than to be perceived as exceptional

Key Books Mentioned

Intro

  • Tim Grover (@attackathletics) is a world-renowned sports enhancement specialist, most known for working with elite athletes such as Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Dwyane Wade
  • Hosts: David Greene (@davidgreene24) and Brandon Turner (@BrandonAtBP)
  • In this conversation, Tim shares the lessons he learned on having a winning mindset from working with the most successful athletes in the world

What Holds People Back

  • Sometimes people’s goals are too vague
    • “I want more money, I want more success”
    • You need to find out and exactly define what you actually want
    • Then you can check if you have the ability and knowledge to chase it
  • There’s a difference between “wanting” something and liking it to happen
    • When you want it, you’re willing to put in the hard work to obtain it
    • “I practiced so hard, so the games were easy” Michael Jordan
    • In real estate, people complain about no good deals being out there
      • You need to adjust your strategy and skills to fit the situation
      • Once the situation goes back to normal, things will be really easy for you
  • Fear of success
    • People don’t get what they want because they’re afraid of what success looks like and what it actually takes to get there
  • Many people would like to immediately “become great”
    • You can’t do that
    • “Before you chase greatness, have you caught and mastered average?” Tim Grover
      • Then you have to master “good” before you can even chase greatness
    • Michael Jordan started each practice with a chest pass
      • It is the foundation of the game and he had to keep his mastery of it
  • What separates successful entrepreneurs from those who give up?
    • Successful ones understand that there’s no finish line

How Tim Worked with Michael Jordan

  • Tim’s first goal working with any clients is building a strong foundation to minimize injuries
    • Once you minimize the chances of even small injuries, you’re automatically able to perform better consistently
    • Rather than working on jumping higher, Tim makes athlete practice jumping down and absorbing the force of their jump
  • The business equivalent would be to prevent burnout
    • If you burn out, your skills weaken, and it takes time to get back in the game
    • A lot of success is consistency

Consistency and Routines

  • There isn’t a quick hack to get successful
    • If there was everybody would do it
  • “It’s the consistency of doing things over and over again and doing them with a purpose” Tim Grover
  • The pandemic forced everyone to change their routines
  • Mental routines are often more important than physical ones
    • It’s about how you think and how you approach things
  • When someone asks Tim how he’s doing, he answers he’s having a great or fantastic day
    • He does that to remind himself and put pressure on himself to actually have a great day
    • Doing so also uplifts and inspires others
  • Everyone is addicted to something, choose your addictions wisely
    • “Any individual that says they’re not addicted to something, they’re addicted to lying” Tim Grover
    • One of Tim’s addictions is working out
    • “You got to get your dopamine somewhere. You’re going to get it in the weight room or you’re going to get it in the meth lab” Brandon Turner

Winning, Relationships, and Feelings

  • The Last Dance shows how Michael Jordan wasn’t always liked by the people around him
    • He wanted to win so badly that most people couldn’t related to his work ethic and the pressure he put on himself and others
    • “If you want to win over and over again, you’re most likely not going to be the most liked individual out there” Tim Grover
  • “Winning isn’t heartless, but you’ll use your heart less” Tim Grover
    • Your mind has to be stronger than your feelings
    • Michael’s mind was all about winning
  • “There’s always a battlefield that’s going on in your head” Tim Grover
    • Who’s controlling that battle? Is it you, or is it your guilt, fear, anxiety etc…?
  • Your feelings may make you not want to get out of bed
  • Feelings make you overthink decisions. 
    • “Will I hurt this person? Is this the right thing to do?”
  • The mind can handle failure and learn from it
    • Your feelings hold on to it
  • Successful individuals have short memories of their failures
    • They don’t forget the lessons they learned but they don’t keep thinking about failures
    • “I never lost a game. I just ran out of time” Michael Jordan

Manage Focus, Not Time

  • When you manage time, you confuse putting in the hours with winning
    • Winning is not just about putting in the hours
  • When you’re practicing or working you have to focus on getting that win
    • Get the most out of that workout
    • Focus on getting the project done rather than working 2 hours on it
  • “With each win and each time you manage focus, you understand focus, you increase your confidence level” Tim Grover
  • A cliche that holds people back is “showing up is half the battle”
    • People who win have to show up every day, but just showing up is not nearly enough

How to Lose Like a Winner

  • Winning has no loyalty to you
    • The majority of the time you are going to lose
    • There can be no winning without losing
  • “You have to learn to lose in order to win on a consistent basis” Tim Grover
    • You can leverage losses to learn lessons and get better
  • MJ used a different stat sheet than other players
    • He wouldn’t focus on points, assists, and rebounds
      • He knew that doing none of those wouldn’t guarantee a win
    • Instead, he focused on turnovers, missed free throws, stupid fouls
    • Minimizing the mistakes that guarantee a loss improves your chances of winning

Finding Balance

  • Most successful individuals struggle with finding balance
    • Winning creates imbalances
  • You don’t find balance, you have to create it
    • Each person may have a different balance at a certain stage of his/her life
  • When talking about finding balance, we tend to add more things to do
    • Creating balance is not about adding more things, but taking them away
    • You have to get rid of the unessential
    • “Time for everything equals time for nothing” Tim Grover

Winning and Happiness

  • “Winning is everything” Kobe Bryant
    • The feeling of winning is indescribable, like a drug
  • Even after retiring, winners can never stop competing
    • Even after he retired, Jordan shoes outsell the top 5 Nike shoes combined
    • After retiring, Kobe wrote a best-selling children’s book and was entering the entertainment industry
  • The competitive nature is in all of us
    • Most of us are just afraid to show it
    • It’s more comfortable to be perceived in the middle of the pack than to be perceived as exceptional
  • All people who achieve financial freedom and dream of just sitting on a beach, never end up doing it
    • “If you have the power to win, you have to keep winning, or you’re miserable” Brandon Turner
  • If they don’t give everything they have, those who want to win really badly will suffer a lot more from regrets
  • Winning is not just about the financials
    • There are many areas in your life where you may want to win
      • It could be raising your kids, doing charitable work, etc…
    • Each person has their own definition of winning

On Tim’s Latest Book: Winning

  • When asked what’s his favorite business book, Tim mentioned his own book, Winning, and then said:
    • “Hey, you’re going to ask Michael Jordan who his favorite player is?” Tim Grover
  • Tim wants everyone to experience the euphoria of winning
  • Winning is in all of us
    • Everyone has wins available to them on their daily basis

Comparing Business and Sports

  • Mentally, entrepreneurs have to compete more often and intensely than sport players
    • NFL players compete once or twice a week and know what to expect from their opponents
  • As an entrepreneur, every day you need to bring a brand new game plan
    • You need to be able to pivot and adjust as quickly as possible
    • Not only about adapting to circumstance, but overcoming difficulties and thriving

Additional Notes

  • “Winning makes you different, and difference scares people” Tim Grover
  • People who win don’t only know what to think, they know how to think
    • Knowing how to think allows you to continue winning when situations change
  • Today, often the participation trophy is larger than the winning trophy
    • Winners don’t want to just participate
    • Winners show up because they want to succeed, improve, and create a better life for themselves
      • They are willing to put in the work to achieve all that
  • You can have fear without doubt
    • You may have fear of a negative outcome happening
    • Fear can be your fuel to work and minimize the chances of that negative outcome
    • Once you doubt your ability to achieve your goal, you lose confidence
  • The upward spiral of “winning”
    • Tim’s win of writing a great book makes it easier for David and Brandon to win their own wins
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