The Trap of Right and Wrong – Moe Abdou Interviews Kapil Gupta on The 33voices Dialogue

Check Out The 33voices Dialogue Episode Page & Show Notes

Key Takeaways

  • Whatever you chase runs from you
  • To sell something to someone else, you must first sell yourself
  • Society conditions human beings towards the average
    • “The degree to which human beings are conditioned and have all the talent, possibility, and potential sucked out of them by a certain age is ASTRONOMICAL. It’s a virus. Society is a VIRUS. It’s precisely because society caters to the lowest common denominator that it breeds them.”Kapil Gupta
  • More Kapil Gupta quotes to ponder:
    • “When you experience a so-called ‘assault’ from the outside, who you really get assaulted by, though the arrow may come from the outside, is on the inside—the wound happens on the inside.” 
    • “The truth will always sound insane to someone who believes in socitey” 
    • “It’s precisely the subscribing to right and wrong, good and bad, correct and incorrect, that keeps one from learning the truth”

Intro

On Isolation

  • Kapil’s been pondering how vital isolation is; why?
    • “Minds get polluted by interaction. They get polluted by interaction because with interaction comes posturing; with interaction comes sending one’s self-image as a surrogate—that creates the influx of ego. When a person’s isolated, there’s enough complexity in the form of self-image and ego to keep him occupied for the rest of his life.” – Kapil Gupta
  • Further:
    • “The more your level of devotion naturally and organically is in something, the more you’re kept from entering into complexities. If that devotion isn’t naturally strong, you’ll succumb.” – Kapil Gupta

What You Chase Runs from You

  • Kapil recently tweeted: “If one is driven by the hope of reward and the pleasure of favorable outcomes, he will be stricken by self-doubt. If he is at all times self-honest about the purity of his motivations, his decisions and actions will arise from clarity.”
  • Kapil digs deeper:
    • First, know that chasing a reward isn’t intrinsically “bad”
      • “There’s no point in talking to any human being unless they first get passed the idea of ‘good’ and ‘bad.’ If they can’t get passed good and bad, then whatever you say will be covered by that lens, and they’ll be running away from bad and towards good.” Kapil Gupta
    • With the above in mind: “If you chase something, that thing will run from you” Kapil Gupta
      • (This then leads to self-doubt)
      • This isn’t bad nor good; it’s just truth
      • For example, if you enter a business meeting with a need for something, there’s no hope—you might as well not attend the meeting
    • On the contrary: “The effect of pursuing something out of a genuine motivation and the purity of arriving isn’t good, but the effect of such will be clarity” – Kapil Gupta

How does the above apply to sales?

  • If you go into a business meeting trying to sell something:
    • “It has nothing to do with selling someone else. It has everything to do with selling yourself on yourself. If what your selling is of limited effectiveness or limited quality, then something inside you will not be sold on it. When something inside you isn’t sold on it, you’ll be limited in how well you can sell someone else on it.” Kapil Gupta

What prevents people from permitting themselves to be great?

  • Simply, the lack of desire to want to be great
    • Think about it like this: If someone says, “Of course I want to be great,” it’s pretty similar to them saying, “Of course I want $10 million”

Society is a Virus (Kapil Gupta is in RARE Form)

  • “Any conversation centered around the masses and people is a fruitless conversation—it’s catering to the lowest common denominator. The lowest common denominator shouldn’t be part of any conversation.” – Kapil Gupta
  • “I don’t care about the common man. The whole world succumbs and bows at the feet of the common man. I do not. I’m not interested.” – Kapil Gupta
  • “I don’t think it’s understood just how much human beings have been conditioned to be average… The degree to which human beings are conditioned and have all the talent, possibility, and potential sucked out of them by a certain age is ASTRONOMICAL. It’s a virus. Society is a VIRUS. It’s precisely because society caters to the lowest common denominator that it breeds them.”Kapil Gupta

In terms of the great artists Kapil admires, what is it that he admires about them?

  • “Raw desire, hunger, devotion, and DNA”
  • Kapil adds: “If you don’t have the hunger, forget it and go home. I don’t care how many books you read … I don’t care what you do; you’re not going to get there.”

How does Kapil describe the relationship he has with himself?

  • “Constant examination … It’s a constant examination that arises from a devotion of not being affected by the mind.” – Kapil Gupta

Assaults Happen form the Inside

  • “When you experience a so-called ‘assault’ from the outside, who you really get assaulted by, though the arrow may come from the outside, is on the inside—the wound happens on the inside. If a person spends his life trying to stop the arrows from the outside, he misses the boat because the real money lies in stopping the wounds from happening on the inside.” – Kapil Gupta
    • Further: “If someone slaps you once, you slap yourself twice”
  • Once you’ve internalized the above, how do you know when you’ve made progress?
    • “You have the most peace when the things that used to arise don’t arise anymore. That’s then you know something has transformed within you.” – Kapil Gupta

Forget the Team, It’s About the Individual

  • “Whenever you have a group, there’s nothing but intellectual compromise. There’s posture and ego. Wherever there are those things, one’s devotion is always to those things. And wherever one’s devotions, allegiance, and attention is to, that means it’s not in the direction of truth.” – Kapil Gupta
  • On hiring a great team: “There’s no team. Each person must be hired painstakingly as a world-class, rare DNA individual to his own sub-specialty.” – Kapil Gupta
    • “Everyone has to own their particular domain. When each person does their thing to their utmost, then collectively what’s heard is a symphony. But, if each person tries to play the piano together, it doesn’t work. That would be akin to everyone trying to work on one problem together—that problem has a domain it fits most neatly into.” 
  • This relates to a past Kapil quote: “The elite never become elite because of culture; they become elite despite the culture.”

What does Kapil see as the role of an organizational leader?

  • “To be the leader of himself first”Kapil Gupta
    • That leader should then lead by example: “A person who has the most ownership of himself—that person’s decisions, behaviors, and rules will reflect that. Everything is a reverberation of that one center. But if that center is compromised, that person will have no choice but to settle for prescriptions, behavior modifications, and hiring all these business coaches.”
      • But: “No one has that center. Since everyone is blind, they all need 17 seeing-eye dogs.”

If Kapil Were a CEO…

  • “If I were running a company, and truly wanted to create an exceptional company, I’d have the least number of employees I possibly could” Kapil Gupta
  • “As far as decision-making, it’s all about iron fists; it’s all about uncompromise, not compromise” – Kapil Gupta
  • And know this: “With everyone, their allegiance, even more so than to their own company, is to how they look. Every human being is willing to lose billions before they compromise how they appear to others. That’s how central self-image is.” Kapil Gupta

On Regurgitated Nonsense

  • “Everything has to come from the horse’s mouth … Let’s say a person becomes a great sport’s coach, starts an academy, and then has others teach his system. That’s malpractice! They can’t teach his system—they’re just a bunch of mules … Quite frankly, it’s never about the information; it’s about the DNA of the giver. If you remove the giver, and all you have is the information, then all you have is snakeskin.” – Kapil Gupta

When You’re Sincere, the Universe Conspires to Help

  • “When you demonstrate a level of seriousness, sincerity, devotion, and genuineness, you tend to prove to the universe that you’re a worthy vessel—things just flow into you – Kapil Gupta

How does one know when they’re ready for the truth?

  • “You can’t be ready for the truth if what you want is to get better … It’s either you arrive at the ultimate or nothing.” – Kapil Gupta
  • Think about it like this:
    • “Everyone has been sold so many bills of goods that they don’t know which way is up anymore. If you have a house filled with 14,000 things, all 14,000 are the bills of goods society has sold you. All 14,000 will have to be jettisoned first in a big bonfire before one zeros himself out to be ready for the truth.” – Kapil Gupta
  • Also, know: “The truth will always sound insane to someone who believes in society”Kapil Gupta

Let’s Wrap with This

  • “It’s precisely the subscribing to right and wrong, good and bad, correct and incorrect, that keeps one from learning the truth” – Kapil Gupta

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