Tulsi Gabbard & Jocko Willink on the 2020 Election, The Problem with National TV Debates, Dictatorships, and Powerful Big Tech – The Joe Rogan Experience #1391

Key Takeaways

  • The media almost always promotes a positive narrative around war (Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, etc.) because it’s good for business
    • Higher ratings = more money
  • As with most things life, you need to have a dichotomy (or balance) – the same goes for finding solutions regarding political issues
    • Usually, the answer is somewhere between the two choices, and not completely one-sided
  • The problem with national TV debates is that you only have 60-90 seconds to get your point across, even for extremely complex problems
    • It’s so god-damn crazy that this is how we decide our leaders” – Joe Rogan
  • No one could have predicted the amount of power and sway social media companies would have over elections, so there aren’t many laws/oversights regarding how politicians can use the platforms
  • In today’s news world, everyone tends to stay in their own bubble and watch networks that share their political views
    • Thus, we all hear different narratives, making it difficult to have a conversation about any one particular topic
  • For some reason, during Tulsi’s first debate, her Google Ad account was suspended by Google with no explanation
    • It’s possible that Google and other big tech companies are interfering in the upcoming elections. Tulsi is currently suing Google to find out more about what happened and why.

Intro

Why Is The Media & Political Machine Attacking Tulsi?

  • When you challenge the political establishment in Washington, there will always be blowback because: “You’re challenging the status quo that they represent and have been profiting off of for a long time” Tulsi Gabbard
  • Tulsi’s campaign doesn’t take any contributions from Political Action Committee (PACs) or lobbyists, and instead, is fueled by individuals
    • “We’ve got to be able to bypass that mainstream corporate media and just go directly to voters” – Tulsi Gabbard
      • “Let’s focus our limited taxpayer dollars on actually serving the needs of our people. That’s really the message that we’re bringing and it scares the hell out of them.”
  • The media almost always promotes a positive narrative around war (Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, etc.) because it’s good for business –higher ratings = more money
    • “I think the underlying driver is that conflict is good for ratings”Tulsi Gabbard
    • “I will always choose to maximize all diplomatic means, measures, talks, and negotiations to further our interests of peace and national security, recognizing that war should always be the last resort if necessary” – Tulsi Gabbard
      • “Why you’re seeing so much of the corporate media and the political machine attacking me is because of this difference, because of this change in foreign policy that I’m bringing about”

Jocko’s Thoughts on Political Parties

  • As with most things life, you need to have a dichotomy (or balance) – the same goes for finding solutions regarding political issues
    • Usually, the answer is somewhere between the two choices, and not completely one-sided
    • “The fringes are going to be a little bit mad… but what’s good for the bulk of people is to make this kind of balanced decision and move forward with it” – Jocko Willink
  • Just because someone has different political beliefs than you doesn’t mean the two of you can’t be friends or have a conversation
    • You need to be able to have conversations with people who have opposing beliefs
  • Back when people were freaking out when Trump got elected, many asked Jocko for his thoughts on the situation,
    • He responded by saying, “America is stronger than one man”
      • Whoever gets elected as President can make changes for one side or the other, but in the big picture, they don’t have much of an impact on the nation’s overall direction
  • When Jocko thinks about politics, he doesn’t ask what’s best for him. He instead asks, “What’s best for America?”
  • Jocko frequently travels across the country for his leadership consulting business and has noticed that most people aren’t fans of the extremes in either political party (most are somewhere in the middle)
    • “It’s weird how the social media we complain about is just an amplification of the extremes” Jocko Willink

The Problem with National Debates

  • The problem with national TV debates is that you only have 60-90 seconds to get your point across, even for extremely complex problems
    • “It’s so god-damn crazy that this is how we decide our leaders” – Joe Rogan
      • These debates are a form of political reality TV! 
  • The media wants the debates to be crazy because it helps drive up ratings
    • However, fewer and fewer people are watching the debates because they’re starting to realize it’s more for entertainment than education

Thoughts on Dictatorships

  • Overthrowing dictators is a popular idea, but it doesn’t always result in a good outcome
    • Muammar Gaddafi was a dictator and disliked by many, but since his assassination, Libya as a whole has become worse
      • “Libya is a completely failed state; there are more terrorist organizations and strongholds in Libya now than there ever were before when Gaddafi was there. The people of Libya are suffering far more than they were.”Joe Rogan
        • Joe adds that he’s seen YouTube videos of people being sold as slaves in Libya
  • Jocko’s thoughts on war:
    • You need to have valid intel before getting involved
    • You need to assess what sacrifices you’re willing to make to get the result that’s positive
      • You need to have the will to kill (both insurgents and civilians will die)
      • You have to be willing to die (Americans will die)
    • You need to have an exit strategy or perhaps be willing to stay until the country becomes an independent and self-sufficient state
  • An important question to ponder: Does the U.S. have a moral responsibility to stop genocide in other countries?
    • Tulsi’s answer: If the US does want to take action, it needs to be a well-planned mission with coalition forces (instead of it being a knee-jerk reaction)

The Trade War

  • Trade doesn’t have to be a zero-sum game; both countries can benefit from a joint-trade agreement
    • Trump’s views on trade being a winner-take-all game, as well as his unpredictable tweets, have made it difficult to establish win-win trade agreements with other countries
  • Unfortunately, many trade agreements only focus on the interests of huge corporations, failing to take into account the small businesses and mom-and-pop shops that make up the backbone of the American economy
  • When trading with other countries, it’s important to be careful when dealing with tech
    • It’s possible that Huawei phones are collecting intelligence for the Chinese government

Big Tech is Getting Too Powerful

  • For some reason, during Tulsi’s first debate, her Google Ad account was suspended by Google with no explanation
    • It took a while for Google to respond, and they never ended up giving Tulsi or her team a clear answer as to why they suspended her account 
      • It’s possible that Google and other big tech companies are interfering in the upcoming elections. Tulsi is currently suing Google to find out more about what happened and why.
        • Google, Facebook, and several other companies have the power to shift public perception and a direct effect on who gets elected President
  • Tulsi wants to break up big tech and provide oversight/accountability to protect consumers
    • Many presidential candidates refuse to take a public stance against the tech giants because of the power they have
  • No one could have predicted the amount of power and sway social media companies would have over elections, so there aren’t many laws/oversights regarding how politicians can use the platforms

The Problem With Media

  • In the 60s and 70s, everyone watched Walter Cronkite and got the same narrative on the news
    • Today, however, everyone watches their own news bubble (Fox, MSNBC, etc.), and we all hear different stories that make it difficult to have a conversation about any one particular topic
      • “We have so many choices but so few paths” – Joe Rogan
  • About 75-80% of Fox viewers oppose the impeachment of President Trump, while 75-80% of MSNBC viewers support the impeachment 
  • Today’s media is more focused on being first than being accurate

Is Being President an Impossible Job?

  • As president, you will have to deal with incredibly complex problems, and no matter what, there’s no way you’ll be able to make everyone happy
  • Every president is human and will likely make some mistakes

Additional Notes

  • How did the idea of Jocko and Tulsi coming on the podcast come about?
    • Someone on Twitter suggested it to Jocko
  • There’s a conspiracy theory that the Clinton’s are responsible for making several people disappear: Clinton Body Count
  • Tulsi denies any rumors that she will run as a third-party nominate (her goal is to be the Democratic nominee)
  • The homeless crisis in Hawaii is the worst per capita of any state
  • The best leaders listen to feedback from subordinates and feel comfortable changing strategies based on new information 
    • Leaders who are insecure or have big egos are afraid of looking weak/dumb and stick to plans no matter what
  • Jocko’s company, Origin Maine, is the ONLY company in that makes jiu-jitsu gis in America
    • They also make jeans and boots
  • If Tulsi wins in 2020, she will be the youngest and first female President of the United States
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