The Derek Sivers Podcast (All Episodes)

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Below you’ll find the Key Takeaways from every episode of Derek Sivers’ (@sivers) new podcast. We’ll update this post regularly as new episodes are released.

That’s Version Infinity. First Launch Version 0.1. | Episode 47

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  • Most business plans try to do way too many things
    • Before attempting to launch version infinity (everything a product will do in the future), focus on launching version 0.1
      • Ask yourself: “What’s the one crucial part of the giant plan? What’s the one critical feature that no one else is doing?”
        • ^^Get it launched with just that, and then do the rest later
  • In Good to Great, it’s discussed how great companies utilize the hedgehog concept: They focus on the one thing they do best and let go of the rest
    • (A hedgehog only knows one trick to defend itself: Curl into a ball with its spikes facing outward)
  • If you have a complex business idea, break it down into its ingredients and let the specialists do what they do best
    • For example, if it has a video aspect, let YouTube handle it
    • Don’t reinvent the wheel – focus on what hasn’t been done, specialize in it, and then become the go-to company that no one can beat in your niche 

Is there such a thing as too much freedom? | Episode 46

  • Derek has always used freedom to guide his decisions
    • After quitting his job in 1992, Derek vowed never again to have another job, and to make a living playing music instead
    • A few years after starting his company, CD Baby, Derek delegated all of his responsibilities, making himself unnecessary to the daily operations
    • Later on, Derek gave away most of his possessions, freeing him up to travel anywhere with just some clothes and a laptop
  • Over time, Derek moved to London (just because he could), and then to San Francisco, India, and Iceland, all the while maintaining his role as CD Baby’s CEO
    • “Switching countries was like switching rooms in your house. Why not go sit in the den for a while? Why not do some writing in the kitchen for a change? How about the backyard?” – Derek Sivers
      • Similarly: “It’s a big world. Why not do my work in each of these places?”
  • Eventually, in 2008, Derek left CD Baby for good, freeing him up from ALL responsibilities 
    • This left Derek pondering: “Where do you go when you can be anywhere and don’t have to be anywhere. What do you do when you can do anything and don’t have to do anything? What if you had no ties, nothing holding you to one place? What if you had unlimited plane tickets? What if you never had to work again? Is there such a thing as too much freedom?”Derek Sivers

Spezzatura | Episode 45

  • Derek highly recommends Elizabeth Gilbert’s TED talk – Your Elusive Creative Genius
    • “It’s an absolutely amazing speech. It’s emotional, universal, insightful, educational, and funny.” – Derek Sivers
    • Derek was at the talk and got a chance to speak with Elizabeth afterward
      • Elizabeth told him she had been working on the 18-minute speech full-time, 8 hours a day, for 6 weeks!
    • “Sprezzatura” is an Italian word that means “to hide conscious effort and appear to accomplish difficult actions with casual nonchalance”
      • You might use this word, then, to describe Elizabeth’s performance, which she put an insane amount of effort into preparing for, with the end result seeming effortless

How to Take a Compliment | Episode 44

  • What most people say when receiving a compliment:
    • “What!? Not at all! That’s ridiculous!” (AKA they deny it)
      • But realize, this is extremely inconsiderate. It takes courage and vulnerability to give someone a compliment, so when someone gives you one, don’t argue with it. 
  • What should you do?
    • Just say, “Thank you”
      • Nothing more!

And If Only 1% of Those People… | Episode 43

  • Derek tells the story of a musician who manufactured 10,000 copies of his CD because he was anticipating 10,000 orders to come through later that week
    • Why? – The musician had bought a quarter-page ad in the back of a magazine with a circulation of 1,000,000 people
      • He knew that if just 1% of people reading the magazine bought his CD, he’d sell 10,000 copies
  • But, the magazine issue came out…. and nothing
    • Over the next few weeks, the musician received just 4 orders
  • The moral of the story: the musician forgot there was a number lower than 1%
    • Think about this next time you present/read a business plan stating something like: “With over 1 billion iPhones sold, our app is sure to…”

How I Became Ryuichi Sakamoto’s Guitarist | Episode 42

  • Again, this is a story best listened to

Sammy Cahn Said Thank You | Episode 41

  • Again, we don’t usually do this, but this parable is best listened to

Human Intervention as a Competitive Advantage | Episode 40

  • When Derek was still running CD Baby from his bedroom in NY, the CEO & VP of a well-funded Silicon Valley music company flew out to meet him for dinner
    • The company was interested in the music recommendations CD baby was making on their site and wanted to know what software they were using
      • BUT – there was no software, the recommendations were coming from Derek. The company told him this method wouldn’t scale, but Derek didn’t care – it was a problem for the future.
  • “When everyone else is trying to automate everything, using a little human intervention can be a huge competitive advantage”Derek Sivers
    • Sure you can buy a fancy phone routing system so people have to go through a series of automated options before they get to speak to someone, or you can hire a charming person to pick up the phone on the first ring and make a good first impression
    • “Don’t forget that even a tiny touch from a real person can be the best algorithm and the best business maximizer” 

Experiments in Music & Life | Episode 39

  • Approaches to music:
    • Doing whatever you want (but having infinite options can be overwhelming)
    • Following tradition and staying within the genre’s guidelines (but this is largely uninspiring)
    • Making up your own rules (AKA experimenting with limitations and seeing what happens)
      • For example: Writing a piece using only two instruments, or a lyric using only nouns (no verbs)
  • When you experiment in music (and life), do so with the sole purpose of seeing what happens
    • There’s no way to fail! Everything you do serves as fertilizer for future creations.

Cross the World Four Times | Episode 38

  • Cross the world four times:
    • First in your teens or twenties to take it all in
      • “See it all, do it all, and learn… Stay up all night talking with strangers everywhere… Make lots of mistakes.” – Derek Sivers
    • For the second time in your 30s to tell everyone what you’ve learned
      • “Cross the world the second time to make change”Derek Sivers
    • For the third time in your 50s to compensate
      • By the time you reach this age, you’ll likely realize how little you actually knew in your 30s
      • “Pay close attention and listen without judgment. Have no answers, only good questions.” – Derek Sivers
      • “Cross the world the third time to unlearn”Derek Sivers
    • For the fourth time to witness
      • “Cross the world the last time to say goodbye”Derek Sivers

My Old Clothes Don’t Fit | Episode 37

  • To put on new clothes, you have to remove your old clothes
    • (To adopt a new identity, you have to drop your old identity)

The Art of Selfishness | Episode 36

  • We don’t usually do this, but this parable is best listened to

Doors and Windows and What’s Real | Episode 35

  • In Derek’s house:
    • One door opens up to the neighborhood, through which kids come by to play with his dog, or neighbors come by to chat
    • One window looks out to nature
    • One door opens to his son’s life
  • In Derek’s life:
    • One door goes out to his connections and people all around the world (AKA email)
    • One hidden door opens inward and is just for Derek’s friends (AKA his phone)
    • “One door is really no fun to open. Wherever I do, I’m horrified at all the shouting. It’s an infinite dark room filled with psychologically tortured people trying to get attention, strangers screaming at strangers trying to start fights.” – Derek Sivers
      • (AKA social media)
      • “They say I’m supposed to open that door because that’s the real world, but it seems a lot less real than what’s in the other doors and windows in my life”

Benefits of a Daily Diary and Topic Journals | Episode 34

  • Derek has been journaling for 20 years – it’s made an enormous difference in his overall peace of mind
  • Derek highly recommends keeping a daily diary
    • If you go the digital route, use plain text (don’t use formats that can only be read by one program, because that program most likely won’t be around in 50 years)
    • Allot a small amount of time each day to write what you did and how you were feeling (this is best done at night)
    • “You can’t trust distant memories, but you can trust your daily diary. It’s the best indicator to your future self of what was really going on in your life at a particular time.” Derek Sivers
  • Also, keep a digital topic journal for the different subjects you like to think a lot about
    • Whenever you have a thought about that particular topic, open up that topic’s journal and get writing
    • Derek keeps topic journals on MANY subjects. Here are a few examples: accounting, addiction, alcohol, ambition, app development, being social, calendars, chess, cities, computers, dogs, entrepreneurship, fame, friends, goals, habits, home, Ireland, language learning, manners, money, music, New Zealand, phone numbers, programming, regrets, RVs, sex, skills, speaking, travel, VR, and websites
    • “If you care about your thoughts, keep them”Derek Sivers
  • When journaling, frequently ask yourself questions and then question your answers
  • “Almost all of the thoughts I have on any subject are the result of writing in my diary and journals, questioning myself, and then working through the alternative ways of thinking” Derek Sivers

How I Got Rich on the Other Hand | Episode 33

  • Derek’s story:
    • Way back, he had a job in Manhattan, making $20k/year. On weekends, he’d earn ~$150/day performing circus shows for kids, but he’d spend ~$50 in bus fares getting to those gigs.
      • At the time, he was sharing a 3-bedroom apartment, paying $333/month each. Derek was quite frugal – he never ate out and never took taxis. His cost of living was ~$1k/month, all the while making $1.8k/month. After 2 years, he managed to save up $12k at the age of 22.
    • Shortly after, Derek decided to quit his job to become a professional musician – with a few gigs per month, he’d be set
  • “It’s not how much money you have; it’s the difference between what you have and what you spend. If you have more than you spend, you’re rich. If you spend more than you have, you’re not. If you live cheaply, it’s easy to be free.”Derek Sivers

When In Doubt, Try the Difference | Episode 32

  • “When you’re in doubt about something that’s not in your life, try it. Things are much different in practice than theory. The only way to know is to experience it yourself… If it was a mistake, at least you’ll know firsthand instead of always wondering.” Derek Sivers
    • Examples: Moving somewhere different, pursuing a new interest, or quitting your job to travel
  • “If you’re in doubt about something that’s in your life already, get rid of it…. See how you do without it.”Derek Sivers
    • Examples: Habits, goals you’re not pursuing, a career that’s plateaued, identities, or relationships that bring you down

Why Experts Are Annoying | Episode 31

  • At a restaurant: your designer friend complains about the menu font, your musician friend complains about the background music, and your manager friend complains about the service
    • Why? – Their expertise makes them annoyed (they’re trained to spot errors and come in with solutions)
  • “Only those who are the most upset and know how to improve things do the hard work necessary to make things great. The dissatisfied ones go make things better for all of us.” Derek Sivers
    • These experts get mad, so we don’t have to

What You Learn By Traveling | Episode 30

  • “The way we define ourselves is relative to our surroundings. However we differ from the people in our hometown is how we define ourselves. That’s how we shape our self-identity growing up. Those are our defining traits.” – Derek Sivers
    • When you go to a new place, those relative comparisons collapse
      • One example: You might be viewed as a slacker at home, but in Europe, you’d be considered a workaholic
  • “I want to learn about the world, so I keep traveling. About the world, I learn a bit; about myself, I learn a lot.” Derek Sivers

PostgreSQL of Self-Contained Stored Procedures | Episode 29

Mastery School | Episode 28

  • Create a school somewhere remote (a school of mastery) – a place for anyone who wants to focus on a skill of their choice where they can be surrounded by others doing the same
    • Also, bring on some coaches (experts on the craft of mastery to offer help/guidance)
    • Why remote? – It has to fit with the story of “going away to focus”
  • There are some great books on the subject of self-learning:

Monthly Self-Expansion Project | Episode 27

  • Every month, pick something you hate or know nothing about and get to know it well
    • Spend a few hours/week for an entire month learning about that subject
  • Why?
    • “Some of my greatest joys in life are the things I used to hate, or know nothing about, but have now grown to love”Derek Sivers
  • What should you study?
    • Nearly anything
    • “If it’s learning a skill, read Josh Kaufman’s The First 20 Hours and use that approach” – Derek Sivers
  • “Whenever we learn about something, we learn to appreciate it. So, this will be most rewarding if you choose something you previously had no appreciation for.” – Derek Sivers

Living According to Your Hierarchy of Values | Episode 26

  • Once you realize one value is more important to you than another, ask yourself if you’re living accordingly 
    • What’s more important to you at the moment: Learning or creating? Money or time? Expanding or focusing?
      • Once you know what takes priority, take it to the extreme and optimize your life around that top priority, letting go of almost everything else
  • The above is the subject of Derek’s next book, How to Live

How to Ask Your Mentors for Help | Episode 25

  • Before reaching out to one of his mentors for help, Derek takes the time to write a full description of his dilemma
    • He summarizes the context, problem, his options, as well as his thoughts on each
      • “I make it as concise as possible to not waste their time. Before sending it, I try to predict what they’ll say. Then, I go back and update what I wrote to address those obvious points in advance.”Derek Sivers
        • Then, Derek repeats this same process twice
  • After the above, the answer becomes quite clear (and asking the mentor for help is no longer necessary)

When You Win the Game, You Stop Playing | Episode 24

  • In short – once you win, stop playing and go do something else
    • This is why Derek no longer has ads on his websites nor does promo deals
      • “I already did that. I made more than I’ll ever be able to spend.” – Derek Sivers

Digital Pollution | Episode 23

  • Just like you can’t walk down the street, leaving huge piles of garbage everywhere you go…
    • “That’s how I feel about the digital things we put out into the world – websites, apps, and files.” – Derek Sivers
  • “I prefer coding everything by hand because I don’t like the piles of garbage the automated generators create. These programs that generate a website, app, or file spit out thousands of lines of unnecessary junk when really only 10 lines are needed. Then people wonder why their site is so slow.”Derek Sivers

Cut Out Everything That’s Not Surprising | Episode 22

  • This is Derek’s advice to anyone writing something for the public, like a speech/talk
    • People read an article or listen to a talk because they want to learn something new, and people only learn when they’re surprised
      • If they’re not surprised, what you told them fits in with what they already know
  • Remember: No one’s ever complained a talk was too short

Heed Your Fears | Episode 21

  • Pay attention to your fears, don’t ignore them
    • In fact, address them – break each down and look deeper to what’s inside them
      • With each, ask: “What’s the worse that could happen?”

Daydreaming is My Favorite Pastime | Episode 20

  • Society teaches us that it’s bad to daydream, as it means doing nothing, like staring out a window, instead of doing what we’re supposed to be doing
  • “Now, I’ve finally embraced it. Deliberate daydreaming is my favorite pastime.” – Derek Sivers
    • Derek hardly ever watches TV anymore – “I just close my eyes and daydream”
    • What will Derek daydream about?
      • “I find it most fun to ask myself a big question” – Such as:
        • What were the top 3 best times in my life so far?
        • What are my biggest regrets?
        • If I had a magic lamp, what would I wish for?
        • How would my life be different if I was blind?
  • Lower the input, let your mind direct its own entertainment

Anti-Chameleon | Episode 19

  • “I don’t know why I have this rebellious nature. I tend to want to be the opposite of my surroundings”Derek Sivers
    • At formal events, Derek can’t stop laughing inside
    • At crazy festivals, Derek wants to hide or read a book
    • “Mt ambitious friends bring out the slacker in me. My lethargic friends make me feel like Superman.”
    • “Seeing someone waste their talent motivates me to get back to practicing and creating. Seeing a person in horrible health motivates me to be healthy. Seeing someone freak out motivates me to be calm.”

Where We Do and Don’t Want Automation | Episode 18

  • Derek HATES how Gmail suggests contacts you might want to send a particular email to
  • Derek has a friend who drives a retro/old car, but meanwhile lives in a high-tech smart home
    • Another friend lives in a rustic cabin, while simultaneously driving a Tesla
  • Derek works on a “broken old Linux laptop, using only the command line” and usually work offline
    • “I think it’s because I don’t want any outside automation or intelligence in the work that matters to me. When software is described as ‘auto’ or ‘smart’ or ‘intelligent,’ it means somebody else put their rules into it. But I don’t want my computer to do anything I didn’t explicitly tell it to… It should never guess or predict what I want. I want full manual control.” – Derek Sivers
      • On the other hand, Derek doesn’t mind if his phone does these things because he just doesn’t care about his phone that much

It’s Human Nature to Focus on the One Bad Thing | Episode 17

  • In short, humans are apt to focus on the ONE bad thing out of a world of good and let it affect their overall mood
    • “Life is wonderful, and we focus on the one thing that’s not” Derek Sivers

Back and Forth Between Super-Hot and Super-Cold | Episode 16

  • “One of the most relaxed feelings I know is that after going back and forth between a super-hot and super-cold pool” – Derek Sivers
    • Try going back and forth between a sauna and cold tub – you’ll never feel more relaxed
  • Alternate periods in life where you maximize input and output
    • For input optimization: Say yes to everything, meet everyone, and go everywhere
    • For output optimization: Say no to everything, and just focus on your work
  • Live in the extremes
    • “More and growth and discovery seems to happen when I’m uncomfortable”Derek Sivers

Eer on the Side of Action To Test Theories | Episode 15

  • When your values changes, the plan of action needs to change as well
    • If personal growth becomes your top priority, plan a life pushing outside your comfort zone
    • If creative output becomes your top priority, plan a tranquil life without obstacles to maximize creative output
  • “If you’ve been deliberating on something for a while, get it out of your head and into the world”Derek Sivers
    • Action is the only way to test theories

Blowing Off Work to Play | Episode 14

  • “Some of my best, most productive, and enjoyable days have been while playing hookey. I think it’s a healthy practice to blow off a previous commitment and do whatever you want instead. It’s a great reminder that you’re the boss of your life.”Derek Sivers
  • “When I think back about the times in my life when I got the most done, created the most, or had a major breakthrough in some aspect, most occurred while I was supposed to be doing something else.” – Derek Sivers

The Joy and Strategic Wisdom of Ignoring Plans | Episode 13

  • “We make plans to make the most of our time. But thinking again about that idea, that doesn’t make sense, does it?” – Derek Sivers
    • Unless you’re shut out of great things for lack of planning, then following no plans is the ideal way to make the best of every moment
  • Plus – every moment provides new information that changes the situation
    • Act on what you know now, instead of previous predictions
    • The lesson: “Make plans, but feel free to ignore them. See plans as an option, not a requirement.”Derek Sivers

Tour-isms | Episode 12

  • Derek, living in Europe now, has a goal to explore all across the continent
    • “I’m not into seeing the sights; I don’t take photos. What I want is to get to know the mindset – the worldview of each place, or the philosophy.” Derek Sivers
  • “What if, instead of touring places, we toured ideas?” Derek Sivers
    • (AKA touring the -isms)
    • Examples – Anarchism, capitalism, liberalism, romanticism, etc.

Meta-Considerate | Episode 11

  • By holding a female up on a pedestal and showering her with gifts, you’re not being considerate, you’re being inconsiderate
    • By making it clear you look up to the girl, you’re making her look down on you
    • People want a romantic partner that’s a catch, someone almost out of their league
      • By chasing a female relentlessly, you’re denying her the pleasure of desire
    • “If you keep pushing forward, there’s nowhere for her to go but backward” – Derek Sivers
  • Be meta-considerate
    • It’s considerate not to bore your friends all your problems, but it’s meta-considerate to tell them your problems and let them feel needed/helpful
    • It’s considerate to tell a white lie, but it’s meta-considerate to tell the uncomfortable truth

Daydreaming the Downside, For Once | Episode 10

  • Living in New Zealand, Derek thought it would be a good idea to get into camping
    • After buying all the necessary supplies, he ended up going only once
  • Last year, Derek thought it would be to start making music and bought a machine to start doing so
    • But, as things go, he lost interest
  • A few months ago, Derek wanted to buy a brand new bike to get into cycling
    • But, learning from the above, he pictured the downside 
      • “I pictured myself not using it, like the camping gear and the machine. I remembered the pain of guilt, regret, and waste… the conflicted feelings of wanting this thing, but not enough.” – Derek Sivers

Where to Find the Hours to Make it Happen | Episode 9

  • Shut off your phone, kill the distractions, and make what you’re working on your top priority
  • It takes HOURS to create something great
    • But, those hours don’t appear out of nowhere – you have to steal them from comfort (whatever you were doing before was comfortable, working towards something meaningful is anything but)

Your Heroes Show Which Way You’re Facing | Episode 8

  • Examine your heroes and those you look up to the most, the people you’d most like to meet/emulate 
    • Based on your answer, that’s your ideal career path

Don’t Quote. Make it Yours and Say it Yourself. | Episode 7

  • “Nothing in life is as important as you think it is when you’re thinking about it.” – Daniel Kahneman, from Thinking, Fast and Slow
    • This is probably best said – “Whatever’s on your mind is not as important as it seems”
  • Just say the idea instead of referencing or quoting it
    • It might feel like you’re stealing the quote, but all ideas come from somewhere – maybe they were just paraphrasing it from someone else?
    • Every unnecessary fact dilutes your point – be concise
  • “Stop referencing. Stop quoting. Paraphrase, internalize, and make it yours. Tell me what you think, not what someone else thinks.” Derek Sivers

Have a Private Email Account | Episode 6

  • “I used to like the internet… Now, I kind of hate most of what’s out there.” – Derek Sivers
    • Social media is filled with staged photos of people trying to get a reaction
  • “I started thinking about what I do like. My email inbox is really nice. It’s only people I like emailing me personally, no lists. I highly recommend setting up a private email address.” Derek Sivers
    • Use something like Fastmail, or any similar service where you pay $1-3/month and in return, get a completely ad-free, spam-free email experience
      • Then, never give your email address to anyone, except friends & family – this way, email notifications actually mean something again 
      • Let your old Gmail address collect the junk

Future Posthumous Autobiography | Episode 5

  • Posthumous = after you’re dead
  • Derek has started writing his autobiography and plans to continue doing so for the rest of his life, with it being released the week he dies
    • “My assistants, family, and friends will have instructions on how to publish it as soon as I die… This is just my version of the old advice to write your own epitaph. I realized I could do better than that.” – Derek Sivers

What I Did Belies Why | Episode 4

  • “You can’t assume the reasons why people are doing what they do”Derek Sivers
    • You might think that out of a group of two doctors and two lawyers, the doctors (or the two accountants) have the most in common. Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions. Perhaps one of the doctors and one of the accountants are both in it for the money, while the other doctor and accountant are both in it for personal reasons; the former because their mother died due to medical neglect, and the latter because their father’s business was a victim of embezzlement, and both are on a mission to make sure neither happens again.
  • For Derek, after he founded sold his company, CD Baby, many assumed him to be your typical entrepreneur
    • “But really, all I wanted to do was help musicians… Technically, yes, I was an entrepreneur, but it seems I didn’t have much in common with all these entrepreneurs I was meeting.” – Derek Sivers
  • “I still think of everything I do as art, not business. It’s personal expression, creative exploration, and testing some ideas to see what happens.” Derek Sivers
    • Writing code isn’t that much different from writing a song – it’s about making an idea happen, for its own sake
    • “Starting a band isn’t that different from starting a company. It’s something you do when you’re unable to make your creative vision happen by yourself.”
  • “I’ve never done anything for the money. It’s always been secondary, and happens as a side effect of following my interests.” – Derek Sivers
  • In general: “Don’t confuse the medium with the message. Don’t confuse the tool with the goal. Don’t confuse the vehicle with the path.” – Derek Sivers

Would You Make Your Art if You Were the Last Person on Earth? | Episode 3

  • If you’re a musician, photographer, writer, or artist, you should ponder this question 
    • A slight variant: “Would I make my art if I never told anyone about it?”
    • This splits people into two groups: those that create art for others, and those that create art for themselves
  • “When I create anything, I do it mostly for its own curiosity, to see how I can develop this fun idea in my head.” – Derek Sivers
    • “If people like what I made, that’s just a bonus”
  • Ask yourself: “Is creating this art something I really want to do, or do I just like the image it represents?”

Travel Without Social Praise | Episode 2

  • Derek met a couple who were thinking of quitting their jobs and traveling the world for a year
    • “I suggested they should only do it if they don’t bring a camera, and don’t tell anyone but their family and a few dear friends. No sharing on social media.” – Derek Sivers
  • Why?
    • “We often live for others without even realizing it. We’re trying to impress an invisible crowd.”Derek Sivers
      • We go places we think will be impressive to other people, we take photos we feel will make our life look wonderful once shared, etc.
  • Ask yourself: “Do I really want to do this for its own sake, or do I just want the praise?”
  • Related, check out this hilarious video – First Person to Run a Marathon Without Talking About It

Travel Without a Phone |Episode 1

  • When was the last time you went somewhere without your phone? – Give it a go
    • By doing so, you’re able to appreciate things as a one-step, instead of a two-step process (you can feel amazed without having to hold up your camera to record the moment)
    • Plus, you’re able to better appreciate the present when you know you’ll never see it again
    • (How often do you look at old photos anyway?)
  • Forget GPS – embrace the act of getting lost (it might lead to pretty some pretty cool places)
  • “Where you are is partially defined by where you are not. When you’re somewhere, you’re not somewhere else. When you use your phone, you’re everywhere.” Derek Sivers
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