The 33voices Dialogue: Kapil Gupta – The Unrelenting Truth of Personal Freedom

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Intro
What is the most important thing people need to know about kapil?
  • Kapil’s God is the Truth
  • In every problem, situation, or circumstance, there’s always a truth. It is the source of a decision which categorizes it as Truth or not. This is Kapil’s mode of attack in all things.
What are we as a society missing?
  • The desire to know the Truth
  • Human beings are generally not interested in it, they’d rather have prescriptions
What are humans running from? What are we afraid of?
  • Avoidance is a comfortable way to live
  • Asking for the answer, as well, is just a short cut
  • “Life is very short, I’m only interested in the people who need a small catalyst to make a lateral move towards the Truth, rather than a massive earthquake to make a vertical move towards the Truth.”
  • You have to have a desire to know the Truth, but many don’t
the how
  • “If I tell someone ‘The How’ to get where they want to go, they’ll be stuck forever”
  • If you tell someone ‘The How’, they’ll always come back and ask if  ‘The How’ was correct
  • “Teaching someone ‘The How’ does not create art, it creates dependency”
What type of questions do Kapil’s clients Ask him?
  • They learn not to ask how
  • The quality of a person is proportionate to their quality of questions – I think Tim Ferriss would agree
  • The commonality – it is the genuine desire to know and need to learn
sincerity
  • Kapil has an ability to see things in people that they don’t see in themselves
  • He looks for sincerity, the single most important element of personality
  • He likes to ask – “Do you genuinely want that? Or are you playing a curiosity game?”
  • Kapil says he can sense sincerity very keenly
  • “You are hyper attuned to the things you look for “
  • Society preaches prescription, not truth 
  • “The only reason you don’t have what you want, is because you didn’t really want it.” 
  • “The only reason you have the things you do, is because you couldn’t live without them”
  • “The only reason you are where you are, is because somewhere in you, it’s okay for you to be there”
The pursuit of mastery
  • Sit with you self in a dark corner, and really ask yourself what you really want
  • The answer that comes in the first 7 seconds, is not the right one – it’s a cultivation/exploration to discover it, and without that discovery, you chase ghosts
How do people start on that road of discovery?
  • “If you are serious about finding the Truth, you will not find it difficult to throw every self-help book in the trash”
  • Stop listening to gurus, or reading scriptures
    • These do not speak the Truth, they speak  prescription and adherence to a group
  • All things involving a group is false. All things arise in the individual.
    • Example: group meditation (silent retreats etc.) are a farse
  • If you really speak the Truth, stop following anyone and asking for prescriptions 
  • The moment you have a how, you have dependency
Getting Close to The Truth
  • “When I work with someone, I never try to produce a change – and when that change happens, no one is more surprised than me”
  • Kapil doesn’t prescribe anything
  • “You do not need to fix anything, you need to see everything”
  • In the quiet examination, the Truth reveals itself
  • Things happen for you not by forcing, but as a side effect
Are there common patterns of frustration?
  • Following the path that you have previously followed will only continue not to lead you to the Truth
  • “The prevailing dogma is always wrong. The masses are always wrong”
How does Kapil define success?
  • Language is a fabricated creation
  • So to turn a word into a Truth – Kapil doesn’t like to do this
  • “I don’t think anyone really wants success”
  • The want is never stated outright, the thing verbalized is the masquerade of the want. The want has to be discovered.
How does Kapil describe the sense of fulfillment he is explaining?
  • “Language is a very ineffective tool for communication – the word gets you into the area, but can never get you into the experience”
  • For this reason, you can’t describe the experience of the Truth
  • “All human beings seek engagement, to be lost in whatever they do – that is the central human desire”
How did Kapil get to where he is?
  • “My knowledge is not my own, it is just that I know the way to the well”
  • Knowing the Truth isn’t something you learn in a book, you see it through some form of grace, meaning it’s bestowed upon you when you demonstrate to the world how sincere your desire for that Truth really is 
all conflict is self-conflict
  • All conflict is “mine made”
  • Whenever you fight with another, it is your own uncomfortableness that you are fighting with
  • If you were totally content with yourself, you would never be affected to the point of conflict, because no matter what the other person said, there’d be no reason to get upset
  • We get upset because we internalize the negative things directed towards us
  • How did Kapil come to live this way? – Uncompromising desire 
Does Kapil ever get stressed?
  • Wherever Kapil goes, he looks for places to be alone
  • He gets annoyed when he walks into a restaurant, and a band is playing
  • “I don’t know why in society, there has to be music wherever you go. I don’t know why there can’t be silence.”
  • He views this as an annoyance, but he’s able to calm himself down
  • Kapil prefers silence, and aims to structure his day around it
 gratitude
  • “Gratitude is prescription”
  • He doesn’t believe in gratitude as a doing, like keeping a gratitude journal
Money
  • It’s a romanticized idea to say wealthy people are miserable and by implication, those who don’t have money are happy
  • Society sometimes looks down on wealthy people for having money, as if they didn’t deserve it
  • “Charity is not a responsibility, it’s an option”
  • All things at the end of the day, all things are done for yourself
  • The only people who can search for Truth, are the ones who are financially free
  • “The one who has to feed his stomach, can not spend his life feeding his soul”
Where is Kapil on the path of mastering the truth?
  • “My sincerity and desire to live a sweet spot of a life, is to the absolute point of desperation. I do not want a single moment of a day to go by, that I do not truly feel immersed.”
What would Kapil make sure a group of millenials would learn from him?
  • “The thing they would benefit the most from, would be to allow my dogged intensity for the Truth to bleed into them. “

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